South African Skeptics

Threatened by a Christian

StevoMuso · 45 · 14416

Offline Brian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1372
    • Skeptical ability: +8/-1
  • I think therefor I am, I think
he was the one who asked you about your views, and even if he doesn't agree with your views, he should not have let another guy (who had absolutely no business listening to your conversation, btw) get so aggressive.

For all you know it was a setup...the questioner knows where you're at and provokes the discussion and afterward they have a beer together giggling at your retreat...Nog 'n bliksemse ateis opge..k!
Never let the child in you die!


Offline mdg

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 337
    • Skeptical ability: +5/-0
    • The Skeptic Blacksheep
Steve, I think you did the right thing by walking away. From your description of the incident, I think it would have ended badly if you had pushed your point. He's the type of guy you cannot reason with, even if he hadn't been drinking.

I've had disagreements, but nothing like the one you experienced.I'm sorry you had to go through that,and I would have done the same thing you did.



“Yes, reason has been a part of organized religion, ever since two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake.”
~ Jon Stewart


Offline GCG

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1829
    • Skeptical ability: +8/-4
  • skeptical mantis is skeptical
    • adelehorn photography
what gets my goat, is that this fokker sits in church every sunday, and puffs his chest out in his ill-fitting pepstores suit at his religious fervour.
i would have chirped him, is this how you, as a christian, speak and act. do you feel you are a true representation of the christian faith, and if so, why should i respect you, or your religion, if you are abviously foul-mouthed and and ill-manered too boot.
I'm too old for imaginary friends


Offline Lilli

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 435
    • Skeptical ability: +3/-0
Agreed, the hipocrisy is the b*tch... but there is still no excuse for such aggression. Maybe it was a setup. Maybe the guy is just an asshole. Best we can do is hope he feels better about himself now. I guess its not worth it getting so riled up over the nutjobs.


Offline GCG

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1829
    • Skeptical ability: +8/-4
  • skeptical mantis is skeptical
    • adelehorn photography
in my opinion of drunk dutchmen, this asshat was feeling insecure and inadequite in the converstion, since he didnt have squat to add that was intelligent or relevant.
i can allmost be sure he was the apha male in the group, and when it comes to everyday banter, about braais, cars, bikes and rugby, everyone deemed him the expert.  and when the topic of conversation was something that required the gift of thinking, he was like a fish out of water.  so instead of waiting for the conversation to eventually come around to him, and he had to deliver so form of opinion, he rather threw is toys.  so his macho mask is still in tact.
and i think, the reason the spinless gits who sat at the table didnt say jack shit, is cause they dont want to earn disfavour in the herd-leader's gaze.  typical monkey see monkey do.  disgusting.
I'm too old for imaginary friends


Offline Brian

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1372
    • Skeptical ability: +8/-1
  • I think therefor I am, I think
Now Steve-boy plan the revenge of the atheists for your next gig...BUT they must all be gay bodybuilders and hit on this poephol BIGTIME! >:D and let us know the result...
Never let the child in you die!


Offline BoogieMonster

  • NP complete
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 3286
    • Skeptical ability: +19/-1
Paraphrasing Bill Hicks:

"I was doing this show in [some hick town], and after the show some guys confronted me in the parking lot:
(southern accent) "Hey mister, we didn't like some of the things you said in there about Jesus"
"So....... forgive me."
Well, after I was released from hospital...."

This is why I'm sending my kids for Karate lessons just like I did (and am) from a young age. The point, however, would not be to beat the guy up. One of the core tenets is "Self control", and that self control has made me walk away from many fights, the bigger person. Yes, I could deck the guy, but that's not the point. To not push your luck in the first place, is the much harder, and better thing to do. (But it is nice knowing if that doesn't pan out, you can still pack the punch)

Respect Steve, also for having the balls to keep chirping even though you were obviously in an uneasy situation.

The bystanders were probably just as afraid of this brute as you were.

"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


Offline StevoMuso

  • Stevo Muso
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 654
    • Skeptical ability: +4/-0
I'm pissed off that the guy you were talking to didn't even say anything. I am not too good at dealing with conflict (I have been told that I loose my temper too quickly, and get myself into boatloads of trouble because of it, so aggression is something I generally try and avoid) Seriously - he was the one who asked you about your views, and even if he doesn't agree with your views, he should not have let another guy (who had absolutely no business listening to your conversation, btw) get so aggressive.
To his credit he did at first say he was the one asking questions and said he had one more to ask. But the other guy just shouted him down - and he is a sweet gay guy who also didn't want to exacerbate the situation so he just shut up.

This is where I think GCG is correct in her interpretation of the git being the "alpha male" type. He was actually there with Monica vd Merwe (the model on who won Rapport model-of-the-month last week) and was clearly trying to "be-the-man".

And BMonster - you are also correct - had I pushed my luck and given a clever chirp it would have turned ugly. I felt like saying that if he was looking for a fight he should pick on another Christian because atheists are non-confrontational (would love to have seen his face before his fist turned out my lights heheHE).

Walking away was probably, in retrospect, the most "manly" thing to do, but I will confess, I didn't feel very manly. I felt hurt and rejected and shaken to the core.

You guys are the BEST. Thanks for all the good thoughts and kind words - and I can see you share my shock and anger and it helps.
Friendly neighbourhood atheist.


Offline s3c

  • Newbie
  • *
    • Posts: 9
    • Skeptical ability: +0/-0
I feel your pain, I've been in a number of not quite violent but definitely hosting situations. I've been told by so called friends that I will burn in hell with a smile on their face, all the while being completely serious. I eventually refused to back down, this has had the effect that most people who challenge my views eventually disappear, leaving me not all that popular.

There is no question in my mind that having been faced with a similar situation I would have stood my ground and had the crap beat out of me, I would probably have tried to press criminal charges and failed. Sure it hurts but considering how it could have ended you came out fine, forget about it and go on.

I'm guessing your company wasn't close friends, I'd actually want to see what happens if someone like that challenges me and the group I usually hang out with, we're usually 5 Atheists, an Agnostic and a extremely laid back Christian. If the pressure builds give us a shout, we'd love to go have a beer with someone Intelligent.

O, and since this is my first post, hi everyone :)


Offline StevoMuso

  • Stevo Muso
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 654
    • Skeptical ability: +4/-0
I'm guessing your company wasn't close friends, I'd actually want to see what happens if someone like that challenges me and the group I usually hang out with, we're usually 5 Atheists, an Agnostic and a extremely laid back Christian. If the pressure builds give us a shout, we'd love to go have a beer with someone Intelligent.

O, and since this is my first post, hi everyone :)

Quite right - not close friends - just regular customers at one of my gigs who have come to be acquaintances (not really friends - just friendly customers). Your crowd sounds awesome - are you in Pretoria/Jhb? Do you ever get to SITP? We could do some Christian-bashing some time (metaphorically speaking of course, no violence please, we're atheists  ;D).

So ... s3c ... welcome to Skeptics.za. You will find many like-minded people here and I, for one at least, hope you find and forge some cyber-friendships here as many of us have.
Friendly neighbourhood atheist.


Offline s3c

  • Newbie
  • *
    • Posts: 9
    • Skeptical ability: +0/-0
Thanks for the welcome, I'm from Pretoria East. Not familiar with SITP, gimme a clue?


Offline mdg

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 337
    • Skeptical ability: +5/-0
    • The Skeptic Blacksheep
Welcome s3c,

SITP, is Skeptics In The Pub.There are monthly meetings and I think there is a regular one in Pretoria. I'm sure Steve can give you more info.  ;)

mdg
“Yes, reason has been a part of organized religion, ever since two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake.”
~ Jon Stewart


Offline Rigil Kent

  • Armed liberal
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 2549
    • Skeptical ability: +20/-3
  • Three men make a tiger.
SITP, is Skeptics In The Pub.There are monthly meetings and I think there is a regular one in Pretoria. I'm sure Steve can give you more info. 

Is that the meeting Steve normally attends by himself? ;D  (sorry, that was cruel >:D)

Mintaka
You know it's cold outside when you go outside and it's cold.


Offline StevoMuso

  • Stevo Muso
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 654
    • Skeptical ability: +4/-0
SITP, is Skeptics In The Pub.There are monthly meetings and I think there is a regular one in Pretoria. I'm sure Steve can give you more info. 
Is that the meeting Steve normally attends by himself? ;D  (sorry, that was cruel >:D)Mintaka

LOL Yes - that's the one. But I've given up on finding skeptics in Pretoria so now attend the one in Jo'burg. s3c, follow this link because there is one in Cresta this Wednesday night (if you feel like braving the highway). I'm gonna try and be there but haven't RSVP'd as "yes" coz I'm not sure.

Here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=116698438357848
Friendly neighbourhood atheist.


Offline StevoMuso

  • Stevo Muso
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 654
    • Skeptical ability: +4/-0
Oh ... and s3c ... please send me a private message on email (go to my profile for this) - maybe we can make a Pretoria SITP of our own - coffee for both the skeptics in Pta heheHE  >:D
Friendly neighbourhood atheist.