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Sam Harris: Science can answer moral questions [split]

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Muffles, you can evade the question all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't got a clue ;). If you had any, it wouldn't be so difficult to answer such a simple question. Instead you invest, laughingly, so much energy to evade, insult and accuse others of the very things you are guilty of. And you say others have fundamentalist tendencies...ROFL  ::).
I defer to your far wider experience in these matters, O Evader-in-Chief.

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Oh well, I guess we will never know whether you actually have a clue about what materialism entails or whether you even have an understanding, despite you "proudly" associating yourself with it and praising it for its "successes" lol.

Aaaw, come on muffles, be constructive, make a thread to describe your understanding of materialism/materialistic approach/materialistic conception etc.
Then give a few reasons why you are a materialist based on this understanding of yours.

Can't be that difficult can it?
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Oh well, I guess we will never know whether you actually have a clue about what materialism entails or whether you even have an understanding, despite you "proudly" associating yourself with it and praising it for its "successes" lol.
(Emphasis added.)  Not “we,” old boy.   “I.”  And the reason why you, and you alone will never know these things has far more to do with your various cognitive impairments than any neglect on my part.  How many more times do I need to put it to you that I’ll not waste my time explaining anything to you?  How long before that message finally registers and computes?  Has the masochistic imperative so addled your brain that you forget your history here and elsewhere?



Then give a few reasons why you are a materialist based on this understanding of yours.
Putting the deductive cart before the inductive horse again, eh?  With such defective understanding, it’s no wonder you are not able to follow much of anything.



Can't be that difficult can it?
Not nearly as difficult as maintaining that wall of pigeonholes – or keeping them all clean, for that matter.

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Evade all you want. And yes, it is not only me that does not know whether you actually understand anything with regards to materialism/materialistic approach/materialistic conception etc.

Fact is, you are a materialist, you don't deny it, you defend materialism (whatever you think it is lol).
Fact is, you show n NO real understanding of materialism.
Fact is, you provide no reason for being a materialist.

So if it is not so difficult to be constructive make a thread to describe your understanding of materialism, why don't you?

I don't think you should accuse others of "evasion", "defective understanding", cognitive impairments etc. ;).
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Evade all you want.
No, I’ll leave that to you.



And yes, it is not only me that does not know whether you actually understand anything with regards to materialism/materialistic approach/materialistic conception etc.
Yes, that would explain why it’s you alone hounding me… ::)



Fact is, …
’Nother fact is, you’re desperate for validation.  Prate on, MacTeleological.



So if it is not so difficult to be constructive…
It isn’t.



… make a thread to describe your understanding of materialism…
No.



… why don't you?
Two reasons:  (a) it’s you pushing for it, and (b) it would be entirely lost on you.



I don't think you should accuse others of "evasion", "defective understanding", cognitive impairments etc. ;).
No, you don’t think, full stop.

And still the message fails to penetrate. :-*

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Greeaat, more evasion  ::).... Come now muffles, surely you can do better than that... How about a little constructiveness now :-*.

And no, a thread where you discuss materialism won't be lost on me ;)
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Whatever you say, Pumpkin.  Whatever you say.  Feel free to carry on wasting your time, but I must ask:  Have you considered starting your own debt collection business?  I’ve no doubts that you’d do very, very well at it.  People would pay good money just to see the back of you.  Now there’s a materialist conception for ya…

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Fact is, you are a materialist, you don't deny it, you defend materialism (whatever you think it is lol).
Fact is, you show n NO real understanding of materialism.
Fact is, you provide no reason for being a materialist.
So what?
« Last Edit: November 04, 2010, 18:02:20 pm by BluEGrAY »
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Oh Hermes, yes, I can understand why you might think of this place as a "longdrop". Lol, that must be what rwenzori and muffles' view of reality is like.
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And btw, do you even care that muffles is a materialist, despite her having no clue (or limited anyway) what it entails...
Oh my, now I always thought the forum member who wants to discuss a topic introduces it.   That means that if you want a debate on materialism, you take the lead and first express your understanding of it.   We can then debate your views on the topic, should we wish.   Don't you think that is a fair way of conducting yourself on a forum?
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Oh my, now I always thought the forum member who wants to discuss a topic introduces it.   That means that if you want a debate on materialism, you take the lead and first express your understanding of it.   We can then debate your views on the topic, should we wish.   Don't you think that is a fair way of conducting yourself on a forum?
Stop trying to justify her evasion ::). She had ample opportunities to discuss it and show some understanding. She did not, yet continues to make use of "materialism" and "materialistic concept of reality" without having a clue what she is talking about.

Don't worry, I have seen it before... how people accuse others of evasion or lack of understanding, but when these people are asked to be a bit constructive and show their understanding, they fold like a stack of cards and evade it with all kinds of cute insults. Sad really.
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Stop trying to justify her evasion ::). She had ample opportunities to discuss it and show some understanding. She did not, yet continues to make use of "materialism" and "materialistic concept of reality" without having a clue what she is talking about.

Don't worry, I have seen it before... how people accuse others of evasion or lack of understanding, but when these people are asked to be a bit constructive and show their understanding, they fold like a stack of cards and evade it with all kinds of cute insults. Sad really.
And where did you get the conceited notion that Mefiante is obliged to write you an essay on materialism?   If you want to discuss the topic, why don't you display your alleged superior understanding of the topic?   Hint: if you are keen to find out what materialism is, you can start by asking somebody how to Google.
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Yeah Hermes, don’t you see?  We all need affirmation every now and then to make us feel valued.  And when no one gives it to us in spite of all our pushy prompting and provocative prodding, we just have to give it to ourselves.

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Yeah Hermes, don’t you see?  We all need affirmation every now and then to make us feel valued.  And when no one gives it to us in spite of all our pushy prompting and provocative prodding, we just have to give it to ourselves.

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How ironic that someone with such void Meatloaf repetitiveness can call on one to "be a bit constructive".
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Don't worry, I have seen it before... how people accuse others of evasion or lack of understanding, but when these people are asked to be a bit constructive and show their understanding, they fold like a stack of cards and evade it with all kinds of cute insults. Sad really.

Well, all you do is quote-mine and plagiarise the work of others while never responding to any requests for you to explain your own understanding in your own words. I doubt if you can. Sad really.
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