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Offline EM

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Then you can get some more 'bully beef' and 'polonie', sommer while you are there. and some coke for the 'Brandewyn'.  Groot makietie.

The best I could figure out this message surfaced around the 14th...  And she says something about 5 days in the mail...  The SPAR in Heilbron must be quite crowded by now.
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I must say, I find these people very disturbing. Just go to any topic at the Uhuru - Boerevryheid Forum to get a sense of how they think.

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That forum is very disturbing.

Some of them are quite willing to try turning this into a self fulfilling prophecy, albeit localized and small scale.  Still an unpleasant thought for whoever happens to be within striking distance.

I wonder how far a half empty bottle of Richelue can be thrown

some more disturbances:
www.kappiekommando.co.za
www.nuweopenbaring.co.za
http://home.global.co.za/~koerier/index.htm
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Tick.

Tock.

Tick.

Tock.



Donnngggggg!

ETA: moonflake, a cuckoo for you.

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« Last Edit: February 21, 2007, 13:07:42 pm by Anacoluthon64 »
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Not yet uhuru : Mail & Guardian Online
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Police investigators working on the Boeremag treason trial said this week that the Soweto bombers currently on trial in Pretoria -- Herman van Rooyen, the three Pretorius brothers and Rudi Gouws -- referred to themselves as “Suidlanders”.

Documents found on Boeremag murder and treason accused Wilhelm Pretorius’s computer link the name “Suidlanders” with the Boeremag. Among them was a Suidlander oath. And Mandela’s death was central to the Boeremag apocalypse, which predicted a massacre of whites after his funeral and a right-wing coup d’état.

State witnesses in the Boeremag trial have described the organisation’s plans to stockpile fuel, weapons, ammunition, food and medicine and to create meeting points as a prelude to an uprising.

The emblem adopted by the Suidlanders, which appeared on their internet statement last week, is the same as that used by the Boeremag.

A police investigator said last week’s scaremongering was taken seriously by law enforcers and a possible Boeremag connection was being investigated.
meisiekind2, say it ain't so  :-\
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Dunno... maybe just me but... erm...

Got the chain letter mail about a year ago. Read it. LoL'd

Got the DVD the other day. Watched it. LoL'd some more.

Then I had a revelation. Their propaganda reminded me of a best selling book I read a couple years ago. It was just as riveting and sensational as their spam (bah, i mean emails) and DVD's. The difference is this best seller was written by the 1938 Time magazine man of the year.

So...

For all these "sensationalists", who so blindly and religiously believe and follow the preachings of Gustav Muller and Die Suidlanders, I recommend Mein Campf. Written by 1938's Time man of year Adolf Hitler.

Did I get my point across? Or was I too subtle?


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Hello & welcome to the forum, anti_idiots:)

What the Suidlanders, et al., those ardent students enrolled in Selective History 101, simply gloss over in their studies is that central European nationalism declined sharply after 1945 as a matter of practical necessity, and continues being buried progressively deeper with each passing year.  Passionate doomsayers are mesmerising simply because they exploit our wish to see an all-encompassing "justice" done to those amorphous "whoms" we consider, for whatever reason, our enemies, even if that "justice" includes our own demise.

Mein Kampf cloaked its emotional anti-semitism (and anti-communism) in weak but superficially convincing arguments of historically and ancestrally preordained supremacy, and a vaguely convincing action plan for expediting the inevitable turnaround was advanced.  Among the plan's core requirements was segregation along lines of descent.

Does any of the above ring any bells?

Let me be more blunt: Elsewhere, some have commented on the remarkable similarity between the Swastika and the three-rotating-sevens design, both stylistically and in terms of colour choice, of the AWB, the progenitors of the Suidlanders - at least spiritually.  Charisma is no long-term substitute for acuity - just ask Eugene T.

So, your point is well made, though your subtlety may, I fear, be too great to move the audience it's supposed to.

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Touché.

Sadly, I am feeling a bit pasionate about the whole thing. I can imagine some people would agree with me and share my collective awe and shock at the narrowminded outlook we still have to deal with. It does make me stop and think how some folk just can't seem to move on after 14 (FOURTEEN) years. Seriously, this time, STOP AND SMELL THE ROSES. I.e. look past your cynical, tunnel visioned outlook of life and see the the bigger picture.

This is the reason why I referred to Mein Kampf. It was written by a narrowminded, certifiable loon that spawned one of the most horrific and darkest times in world history. It is the exact narrowminded mentality that I experienced reading and watching the material from these Neanderthals. I did some googling and was chilled to the bone from what I saw on their forums and blogs.

I am born and raised Afrikaans and I thank the heavens that my parents did not suffer from their mental incapacity. The only accomplishment these people have had, in my opinion, is to ensure the stigma that surrounds Afrikaners has been solidified. It is with much regret they have caused me to spit on my language, culture and heritage. I am as of now deeply ashamed of being and Afrikaner.

Thank you for the warm welcome to this forum.
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I don't think that it is necessary to 'spit on your language, culture and heritage'. I think you  are then making the same mistake as these people.  Equating values you live by, with what you are and where you came from. It is important to know and understand where you came from, because it is part of who you are, and helps you understand why you live the way you do. It does not however dictate how you should live your life. Just because you share a history with some people and come from the same culture as them does not mean that you have to have the same values and act the same. I am proud of my history, but only the things that are worthy of being proud of. I am also not ignorant of the things that are part of my history that I am not proud of. I have the opportunity to learn from those mistakes and try to live my life according to my values, correcting the mistakes of the past.

Afrikaner identiteit hoef nie in die geskiedenis gewortel te wees nie, al is dit altyd deel daarvan.
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Meisiekind2 :

According to me it is really STUPID to ignore such a thing as uhuru, because yes, fine maybe we will all be fine, maybe it won’t happen, maybe it will, but at least make an effort to get the necessary information and prepare yourself! Otherwise you are going through life BLIND. How can you ignore something that can possibly be dangerous for you and your loved ones, just because you feel like it???!!   ??? 

Uhuru can happen.
When it does, I will be prepared.
If you choose not to, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM, don't attack people trying to help you.

Because that is all Meisiekind tried to do. What does she get for warning you? What will it change in her life? And what will it change in your life to listen?

Anacoluthon64, you need to understand: Meisiekind2’s information is FREE. You don’t have to buy it; but it will cost nothing of you to TAKE NOTE.

Enjoy your Friday,
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ednaloy,
I can warn you everyday that the sky might fall, but without credible evidence what good comes from it.

There is a certain probability for any event to occur, but for some though the probability is so low that it doesn't justify "warning" everybody against it constantly.

Hence, the Meisikind who cried wolf.  Not that I even consider this wolf exists...

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Anacoluthon64, you need to understand: Meisiekind2’s information is FREE. You don’t have to buy it; but it will cost nothing of you to TAKE NOTE.
...if information is free, does that then exempt it from rational examination?

You might consider informatio free just because the informant didn't charge you for it, but how free was that information for this gullible person:
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Springs - A beauty therapist, who believed a hoax SMS about the death of former president Nelson Mandela and the "white extermination" that was to follow, has now lost her job as well.

Christine Pretorius, 49, packed up her family and took them to Heilbron in the Free State, to escape the dreaded "night of the long knives".

The family camped out in tents for two days, braving wind and sun, because they believed a massive slaughter of whites would follow the world icon's funeral.

By the time Pretorius realised the SMS was a hoax, she'd lost the job she had had for 12 years at a pharmacy.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.news24.com%2FNews24%2FSouth_Africa%2FNews%2F0%2C9294%2C2-7-1442_2089519%2C00.html&ei=M8UMRpvMC5iSgAL41LzWBA&usg=__qFYE2pRYHyFCbZvXb3cH1vYFl6k=&sig2=zjrdhVtf3jZ-12OQNxHPAw
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Hello, and welcome to the forum, ednaloy.

According to me it is really STUPID to ignore such a thing as uhuru, because yes, fine maybe we will all be fine, maybe it won’t happen, maybe it will, but at least make an effort to get the necessary information and prepare yourself! Otherwise you are going through life BLIND. How can you ignore something that can possibly be dangerous for you and your loved ones, just because you feel like it???!!   ??? 
Are you informed about and prepared for that petrol tanker losing control and ploughing into your house at 2:00 A.M.?  Or that asteroid threatening to desolate Earth?  Or that genetic mutation waiting in the wings to produce a new Black Death?  Or any number of other equally possible disaster scenarios?  What forces us into giving "Uhuru" special attention?


Uhuru can happen.
Kindly point out where anyone here has claimed the contrary.


When it does, I will be prepared.
Given the magnitude of the proposed event, that seems unlikely somehow.


If you choose not to, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM, don't attack people trying to help you.
Barring more compelling evidence, I for one so choose to remain sceptical.  Hardly a problem, that, at least to me and mine.  And kindly explain how pointing out flaws of fact, logic and reasoning constitutes an "attack."


Because that is all Meisiekind tried to do.
How is pandering fear and paranoia "trying to help?"  There's a reason why most countries consider it a punishable offence to shout "Fire!" in a crowded or public place when there is no fire.


What does she get for warning you??
Drubbings over easy credulity, sloppy reasoning and ill-conceived doomsaying, as given in an earlier post.  Perhaps you missed them.


What will it change in her life?
Probably nothing.  But perhaps other people will take note and apply their thinking faculties with somewhat greater discretion.


And what will it change in your life to listen?
People have listened.  For their own reasons some have accepted, some have reserved judgement, while others remain unconvinced - unless by "listen" you actually mean "believe."  In that case, the effect is far-reaching, namely living in almost constant fear.


Anacoluthon64, you need to understand: Meisiekind2’s information is FREE. You don’t have to buy it; but it will cost nothing of you to TAKE NOTE.
ednaloy, you need to understand that your assertions cut both ways: the arguments I presented are free.  No one has to buy them, but it will cost only a little mental effort to take note of them.  The rest is up to you.


Enjoy your Friday,
ednaloy
You too.

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What a coincidence, I had a conversation with someone just last week about this.  I was shocked to meet someone who actually believed this...  'stuff'.

This person was also a big supporter of the 'volkstaat' idea, although even my most basic questions with regards to simple problems faced by the idea could not be answered.  Something that I only thought of later (pity) was why would you bother with a 'volkstaat' if doom was imminent.  ::)

I see on the siener.co.za website that speculate about how minibus taxis could transport upto 70 000 people to the JHB city center.  Why would they want to go to the Jo'burg city center to kill whiteys?

Ek sal graag wil weet wat geword het van die storie dat M dood is en waar is julle feite. Die datum vir UHURU was 1 April 2007 en ek kon vanoggend soos enige ander oggend nog werk toe kom. Kan julle enigsind bewys dat M dood is of het julle feite dood geloop?


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Ek sal graag wil weet wat geword het van die storie dat M dood is en waar is julle feite. Die datum vir UHURU was 1 April 2007 en ek kon vanoggend soos enige ander oggend nog werk toe kom. Kan julle enigsind bewys dat M dood is of het julle feite dood geloop?

Ek dink jy's op die verkeerde forum om daai vraag te vra...  ons is juis die mense wat skepties is oor die hele idee. Vandaar die naam van die forum: "South African Skeptics"

If you want to find out what happened with uhuru and where the so-called evidence for Mandela's death is (I assume with 'M' you refer to Mandela) may I suggest the site at this address: http://boerevryheid.co.za/forums/index.php

There seems to be allot of support for the idea over there.
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Hi, ek is n boertjie en skryf dus Arikaans.
Ek doen verkoelling en dus werk ek ook in shebeens in lokasies en tot snaakse tye toe. Ek is Shoto magtig en moet vriendelik met die "gaste" wees. Donderdag aand voor paasnaweek kom n vriendelike donker mannetjie en vra my of ek weet wat oor die Judebox speel terwyl ek buite rook? Ek vra hom toe om dit te verduidelik. Hy vertel my dat die sanger sing dat sy hart seer is want sy vriend (nie so donker mannetjie) het sy pa doodgemaak. Wat ek dus aflei uit die saak is dat alhoewel ons nou vriende is daar nogsteeds ongelukkigheid heers oor ek sy vader vroeerjare vermoor het.
Die vriendlike donker mannetjie het ook gese dat hy sy broers afraai om dit te speel maar klaarblyklik is dit n populere lied.