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...and so homeopathy is a cure-all

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Offline Lurkie

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That is horrible, I think somebody should sue such a person for the pain and suffering they cause with there fake nonesense

We'll have to sue deeply irrational direct family members too who would not let us visit our dying family member! In this case, a family member was a believer, and the deathly ill person too. You can lead a horse to water etc. Ghastly.


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I think our resident Dr Spock ( ;) ) will need to elaborate on that.  I don’t know much about Mannatech, but from what little I have read, it seems that they play with the whole gamut of sCAMmers.

I was more concerned about outlining the difficulties of suing meddling CAM quacks, particularly homoeopaths.

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In a word, no you don't have to be a qualified homoeopath at all, it really is just MLM, albeit in a more twisted sense, I'm unable to find the video that I got on how these "glyconutrients talk to the cells" garbage, but you might be a little bit interested in watching some of the junk on youtube, like here and here.

You "learn a lot" as you become familiar with the "products" and you can help them by offering testimonies, the guy made like at least 10 phone calls to people to tell their testimony over the phone and by the time you join the business you're of course already sold or at least "in it" and it's pretty much down the rabbit hole from there. ;D

I didn't have to do a lot of research or anything to know it's just a warped MLM, I'm afraid I only went to one such presentation, which was enough a lifetime, HA "glyconutrients" Ha! "talks to cells" - holy flipping shit, you kidding me? Saw the video on cells talking and the testimonies and I cannot be bothered to become much more knowledgeable on Mannatech, there's so much I don't know already, why waste time on quack? I did a little bit of digging prior to the presentation, but nothing that really needs to be said.

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On a related note, on another message board that I am a member of, a lady that has been battling cancer has just announced she's stopping the medication. She "doesn't want any more poison in her body." She is now going to rely only on prayer.

In fairness, by what little I know of her case she is probably not going to make it anyway and further treatment may well just prolong her suffering.


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I know of a cousin of mine who chose the same thing, although this was years ago and I just know about it, she chose to just take the pain meds and also gave in to prayer and writing poetry, it's a choice, at some point I guess you sort of know and it's well in your right to choose to spend the time you have as you please, I'm actually a lot in favour of assisted suicide and things like Living Wills{/url] [spoiler]not entirely sure I have the correct website, looked into it once with that story about the prof of ours in New Zealand
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During my run-ins with cancer I decided that should I ever to a stage where pain and suffering are the only things left, I'd exercise un-assisted suicide before assisted suicide became necessary.

I could only stand next to a dying person in excruciating pain once before asking myself "Should we really let people suffer like this?". My answer is an emphatic "NO!".
"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


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Okay, this thread is a bit old, and this is my first post but thought I would share a bit on homoeopathy.

This has affected two people close to me the past 3-4 months.

The one is a friend who has a child with medical condition. I don't want to go into detail, to protect the child's privacy, but it is basically neurological. It is interesting to observe the interplay between the gullible and the predators. Basically it seems like the homoeopath plays on the "patient"'s desire for a quick and easy answer, and faith more than anything. The child has now been diagnosed with a "dirty" stomach and "dirty" blood and put on a gluten free diet and given, I think, paw paw extract. And also taken off his medication. It is interesting to me that the parent let slip that this homoeopath was so much cheaper than a doctor, and had the "right" answer. As a third party I finally convinced the friend to put the child back on medication. All the other bull is still on going, just the other day the friend complained about the cost of gluten free pasta to me. Funny thing was that this homoeopath was recommended by a school.

The other is an older adult who has degenerative neurological issues. With the one breath the homoeopath (a different one) is praised while with the other conventional medication is mentioned. My knowledge on the situation is not as clear the first case, but I had similar knowledge of the same homoeopath "complementary" treating someone with cancer.

Now it seems to me that what these people need are psychiatrists who can deal with their issues more professionally and offer them more concrete solutions and coping mechanisms, instead of a passing good feeling.

It is a shame that good money is being wasted, after no more than charismatic charlatans with a veneer of medical respectability.

I wonder if a name and shame is maybe in order?


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Hi, and welcome dude(tte).

This is child abuse. In any sensible world these people would be reported and arrested. Alas, we do not live in a sensible world.

I know first hand, I accused a cow-orker of this exact thing because of his refusal to give his child conventional medicine. Happiness was not to be had be sure about that.

You want to name and shame, go ahead. Just beware the backlash could be more than you could handle.

Again, we do not live in a sensible world, things aren't going to go your way just because you are right.

ps. Not just money being wasted, but human lives.

"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


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And now this - homeopathic cure for Ebola....

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This latest cure comes from Ken Oftedal, a Norwegian Physicist with a keen interest in natural medicine. He prefaces his cure by claiming that:


“With dangerous large-scale epidemics, such as Ebola could turn out to be, the medical establishment is more often than not caught unprepared, as vaccines and/or successful treatment take time to develop and the logistics involved in distribution can be insurmountable.

“Therefore, you may be left to your own devices, in which case alternative self-treatment, in particular, homeopathy, would be your only hope of survival.”

With this in mind, Oftedal derived what he believes is an effective remedy for Ebola. The cure goes as follows.

"What you need:
1. A face mask and gloves

2. Two bottles (50 ml up to 500 ml glass or plastic bottles) with caps

3. Clean water (mineral or tap water)

4. An Ebola sample: some spit or other disease product, such as blood, from a person infected with Ebola, or who is suspected sick with it.

Any small quantity will do, even a pinhead.

5. An alcoholic liquid, such as whisky, brandy, rum, etc.

6. Half an hour of your time"



http://www.health24.com/Natural/News/Website-publishes-homeopathic-Ebola-cure-20140814

it would appear that they removed the "cure" from the website, but methinks the damage might have already been done amongst the sheeple.


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One of the glaring deficiencies of formal education is that once you’ve earned a qualification (degree, diploma, etc.), you cannot be stripped of it, no matter how badly you pervert your learning.

Natural News and Ken Oftedal both deserve their own mandatory health warning.  It’s a pity that there’s no medically equivalent criminal offence to obstruction of justice, say obstruction of wellbeing.

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