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Offline BoogieMonster

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I'm with you Mefi. It's all BS turtles all the way down.

However, in comments to the above there were a number of people indicating that the "new fees" seem quite reasonable to them.... hook, line, sinker. Amazing. You don't need to catch the smart ones if you can catch the dumb ones and then atrophy the non-compliance pool down to something you CAN (attempt to) prosecute. The point of course is not legality, but how you can spook as many people as possible into complying.
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Okay, I see your point:  There may be enough doffies out there who buy into the scheme for it to work, or at least to make the remaining non-payer fraction a manageable problem.  If that’s what the intention is, it’s a virtual certainty that the reduced rates will be tied to also getting e-tagged.  Then again, SANRAL/ETC tried a similar thing before with their “Less 60” campaign, where you could clear your e-tolls “debt” by paying only 40% of its face value, provided that you also got an e-tag.  Only a few tens of thousand out of around two million motorists accepted the offer, which ultimately turned into (yet another) abject failure.

An important point to remember in this context is that e-toll “debt” older than three years and about which the motorist has done nothing, has prescribed.  That is, motorists who are thinking of accepting this latest offer should make it clear that they’ll only do so if their prescribed e-toll “debt” is also erased.

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We hope cooler heads will prevail.
"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


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I'm R143k in the red with this lot. Lots of cars on my name. It makes for interesting chatter prior to lighting the braai.


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"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


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I'm R143k in the red with this lot. Lots of cars on my name. It makes for interesting chatter prior to lighting the braai.
I probably don’t need to remind you of this, but subject to certain conditions, e-Toll “debt” older than three years falls away by prescription.

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I'm aware!  :D

I'm rather fond of getting my monthly mail to check how that balance increase.

I'm not one iota concerned about the so called debt!


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More lip service, denial, stalling....

I feel like we've gone past bargaining and are on the road to Depression and Testing.



But always, in RSA, it's a long, long walk to acceptance.
"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool