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The Offense Industry Strikes Again

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Incidentally, speaking of BEE, Clicks is very much a BEE company, owned and staffed almost in its entirety by blacks. And now the EFF has targeted them for destruction. I wonder if the best response would not be to have a very good laugh? :-)

I think I've noticed something, maybe just me: When I was a kid the old people were always crass. I grew up with the notion that "old" people were just generally impolite and spoke too directly almost always. I think it became "a thing" old people are just known for and were given lots of leeway to do cause... you know.... "their olden ways".

Maybe what's actually happening, is that there was this time of relative peace and stability in which people forgot how to speak their minds and in which companies placate to the point of their own destruction. Maybe there's (by my count at least 3) generations that have forgotten how to deal with the communist/nazi-like insanity. The solution (I feel like I'm reiterating, I apologise in advance) is not to appease and play nice and try to de-escalate to keep the peace. Instead, as said here eloquently recently, maybe the old ones knew the answer long before we did: Just tell them to freck off.
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And here we go again:

Investigation into US professor sparks debate over Chinese word

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329


Oh god...
"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool


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And here we go again:

Investigation into US professor sparks debate over Chinese word

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329
As the world vigorously rushes headlong into a lightless abyss of absurdity, there’s a delicious irony at work in this specific instance:  The people who clamour loudest for respect, tolerance, and understanding are the very ones who would deny the same to those they deem to have caused offence, even when the latter are completely and demonstrably innocent.  The fact that the Chinese use a word in their own language and culture that to other ears sounds like an offensive epithet is clearly no excuse in the mind of the froth-at-the-mouth SJW.

This is how the world ends in hilarity.

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"Sensitive" people are now carefully examining the entire universe, trying to find something to be "offended" at. It won't stop until such time as the "offenders" learn to stop apologizing, and saying "freck off" instead. — brianvds, The ShoutBox Classics, 02/07/2018.


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Sulke homofoniese misverstande is nie eers uniek aan Chinees nie.

'n Engelssprekende moeder het my eenkeer verwoed aangegluur toe ek vir haar dogter wat nog op skool is vra, "En wat is jou gunsteling vak?"
You know it's cold outside when you go outside and it's cold.


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Sulke homofoniese misverstande is nie eers uniek aan Chinees nie.

'n Engelssprekende moeder het my eenkeer verwoed aangegluur toe ek vir haar dogter wat nog op skool is vra, "En wat is jou gunsteling vak?"

Iemand vertel my een keer hy en sy broer is bitter vies aangegluur deur 'n Indiër toe een van hulle op 'n warm dag voorstel dat huylle "koelies" gaan koop. Ja, miskien moes hulle maar die woord koeldrank gebruik het soos die res van ons, maar dit was die gesinswoord waarmee hul grootgeword het... :-)

En toe ek nog onderwys gegee het vertel my kollega, wat Afrikaans aangebied het, my hoe haar leerlinge altyd lag vir die woord "fakkel."


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And here we go again:

Investigation into US professor sparks debate over Chinese word

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329
As the world vigorously rushes headlong into a lightless abyss of absurdity, there’s a delicious irony at work in this specific instance:  The people who clamour loudest for respect, tolerance, and understanding are the very ones who would deny the same to those they deem to have caused offence, even when the latter are completely and demonstrably innocent.  The fact that the Chinese use a word in their own language and culture that to other ears sounds like an offensive epithet is clearly no excuse in the mind of the froth-at-the-mouth SJW.

This is how the world ends in hilarity.

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The phenomenon seems to be mostly limited to academia. More specifically, the useless part of academia. You don't see much in the way of serious protests against all the white, misogynistic racism in engineering departments, for the simple reason that bridges do not care which color of person built them; only the physics matters.

In the longer run, they may achieve little more than the total collapse of their own departments, and for the most part, it will be no great loss.

And if the disease spreads to the rest of the campus? Well, then universities will collapse. No one will take a university degree seriously anymore, and employers will simply institute their own exams and apprenticeship systems to replace formal "education."

Ah, here we go again:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-54138247



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'n Engelssprekende moeder het my eenkeer verwoed aangegluur toe ek vir haar dogter wat nog op skool is vra, "En wat is jou gunsteling vak?"
Dalk was die moeder nie so seer oor die klank van jou vraag as sulks ontsteld nie as oor dat jy dit nie na haar kant toe gerig het nie… Magtig!

The phenomenon seems to be mostly limited to academia. More specifically, the useless part of academia.
That seems to be the case at present but it could easily morph into something far more frightening.  And remember that we are left to deal with the destructive and obstructive legacy of postmodernist thought.  It, too, began as a fringe endeavour in academia which quickly found widespread favour in society at large.

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"Sensitive" people are now carefully examining the entire universe, trying to find something to be "offended" at. It won't stop until such time as the "offenders" learn to stop apologizing, and saying "freck off" instead. — brianvds, The ShoutBox Classics, 02/07/2018.


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haar kant

Shoe!

The phenomenon seems to be mostly limited to academia. More specifically, the useless part of academia.
That seems to be the case at present but it could easily morph into something far more frightening.  And remember that we are left to deal with the destructive and obstructive legacy of postmodernist thought.  It, too, began as a fringe endeavour in academia which quickly found widespread favour in society at large.

Lest we forget "science must fall". The attempts are there.
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Just saw this on Quora, and thought it's kind of relevant to this thread:

https://qr.ae/pNcFrv

I don't know whether non-members of Quora can see posts there, so I'll reproduce it here in full:

What is something interesting that you know because of your career that other people might not?


I illustrate children's books used in schools worldwide. The publisher has a staff of editors to scrutinize the books before they go to press to ensure they are accurate and contain nothing that could be offensive to anyone. This often means that something that would be inoffensive or quite normal in one culture has to be left out because it causes offense in another.

For instance, pigs and pork are considered disgusting in much of the Middle East where we sell books. Parents reading the books to their children would not be happy if there was reference to something they consider horrible. So if I'm illustrating a BBQ or something similar, I never draw sausages, because sausages are traditionally pork. However I am perfectly ok drawing hamburgers. Despite the porky name, hamburgers are traditionally beef. Beef is fine.

To avoid any issues, I just don't draw certain things as a rule. Meat. Women exposing any flesh at all. Anything that could be remotely considered as dangerous. Any activity without the correct safety equipment in place. I'm very careful to draw people in cars wearing seat belts, people on bikes wear helmets etc.

It's not just causing offense I have to worry about. Apparently there is a train expert in virtually every family, so once I had to completely redraw a book because it was set in the 1880's and I drew a train in it that didn't come into service until 1906.



Even so, the publisher often receives long, long letters pointing out all the litany of "mistakes" in the books, despite extreme caution and much careful scrutiny. It's as if some people have made a career out of going through the books (we've done hundreds) and noted down anything they dislike. They count the number of dark-skinned people in a crowd. They check who is serving in shops and are they doing it correctly. (A fellow illustrator recently received a stiff letter about a man in a jewellery shop looking too stereotypically Jewish. This was bad, apparently). Is there something dangerous going on in the background? It must be exhausting.

The books might seem excessively PC, but it's not because I or the publisher are sanctimonious or too cautious. It's because the publisher wants to sell books worldwide and doesn't want to spend their lives politely answering letters from "Outraged of Aberdeen".

So the answer is that people as a rule don't know the lengths children's book publishers go to make sure what they publish is accurate and inoffensive.

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I can see now just why the vast bulk of children's books have become so bland and uninteresting. A guy like Hans Andersen would never get a story published today, and would in fact have been lynched. One more reason to consider self-publishing, though I suppose Andersen would have found himself promptly banned from Amazon as well.




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It could be seen as very racy when the wolf eats grandma!

And of course, goldilocks would've been breaking and entering!

Hansel And Gretel did not only waste food that could've fed the needy, they littered it all over the forest too!

If you want a true nightmare, my astrophysics Prof used to delight in spending 15 minutes picking apart errors in the depictions of the sky in Hagar comics!
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"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground, Silly monkeys, give them thumbs, they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive, so misguided, is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here" - Tool